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Fraudster Finds Unlimited Money Glitch | Counterfeits, Bank Scams & More!
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Chapter 1: What led Sam to start counterfeiting?
I started doing counterfeiting. And the 50s were always perfect. I would make IDs all the time at Kinko's. The credit card number would be on receipts. So I'd just call it in to buy a train ticket. While I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards. You're a good friend. Hard life. Hey, if you got anything bad, don't walk this yard. You'll get killed. But I'm like, I'm good, you know?
You're not good. I know, but I feel like I'm OK. Cop opens the door and, hey, the warden wants you. I realized I need to have, like, a story to, like, stand on. So I'll just go with, like, the first, like, tragedy that kind of, like, set me on this, you know. Yeah. My uncle, who was kind of like my brother, he was, like, five years older than me. My mom's baby brother was in a car crash.
Every one of my family is sitting in the living room. And crying. And I thought something had happened to my kid brother for some reason because I didn't see him. My stepdad at the time takes me outside and he's like, you know, Victor was last night in a car crash. And I literally, almost like a movie, like dropped to my knees and screamed. No, no, no. And I, man, it was like the hardest.
He was like, we hung out every day. We used to like drink beer and play Monopoly. He was just really close. And like, I cried talking about it forever. Fast forward to the next week. At his funeral, I did some. And it was the first time I'd ever did with with some of my uncle's older friends because they all knew me and loved me because I was always with my uncle and kind of as a tag along.
And I just started working. I guess this is the first time I ever did any kind of like it was not a scam or fraud, but I took the company gas card. It was a Chevron card and they had the Chevron stores that you could buy gas. or a Walkman, you know, like the little tape player Walkmans, you know. And I remember just running that up, you know, bought some Ray-Bans.
I remember those were the first nice pair of sunglasses I ever had. Put it on the gas card. And so anyway, lost that job, ran up the gas card. You know, he got pissed, of course. You know, he used that excuse to fire me. But I knew I was fired. I was going to say, it's a good excuse. Yeah. I mean, this is not free money. Yeah. Yeah.
And, um, but you know that, I guess that was kind of my first taste. I never really thought about that. Um, and then I opened a checking account and I realized I could write bad checks. Right. So, you know, in my name, you know, um, there's gotta be money. It's gotta be money in the bank account. Right. Like I still have checks in the book.
Yeah. Yeah. And, and, uh, I did that for just for like groceries. And I went to I took the Amtrak train to Aspen one time and paid for it all with that, with bad checks and bought skis and everything. And like these bright fluorescent outfits, you know, like ski outfits back in the day. So ugly. I just thought it was so cool.
But it was all with bad checks. I hate to interrupt the program, but if you didn't know, my name is Matthew Cox and I spent 13 years in prison for title theft. And this is how easy title theft is. I can be sitting in a Starbucks office. with my computer. I can go online, go to public records, get your address, name of the homeowner. I can create a deed, a satisfaction of mortgage.
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Chapter 2: How did personal tragedies influence Sam's criminal behavior?
And this is the craziest thing. I used to think about this all the time. Like, if I wouldn't have found this receipt, would I have ever done this? I found this receipt. It had the number on it. And so I just call it in to buy a train ticket. And it works. It like totally worked. And so I get a train ticket from L.A. to Washington, D.C. By this time, I'm already looking for more receipts.
So I have like kind of a little stack of receipts that I'm going to try, you know, and I would do I would walk through parking lots and look through receipts, Home Depot parking lots and look for through receipts just to get these numbers. And sometimes they would work. Sometimes they wouldn't because I wouldn't know the zip code.
you know, I would have to like guess, okay, that Home Depot wasn't that zip code. Right. But I did that for a while. And, but I was also selling drugs. I didn't have to do it all the time, but it was always like a, even if I had money, if I could get one of those to work, I would do it. We go up to Germantown, Gaithersburg. It's all, these are all towns in Maryland.
We go up there and I'm at this Denny's and I hear these guys talking behind me and they're talking about drugs. And this Denny's is in the parking lot of this, of this hotel. And, They're talking about drugs. And I'm looking at my girlfriend. I'm like, man, do you hear these guys? She's like, yeah. Dude, I've never strong-armed anybody ever in my life. I'm kind of a pussy that way.
You know what I mean? Like to take a gun and be like, hey, bitch, give me all your money. And even though I pretended to be that guy for a long time in prison. Right.
Yeah. But I told myself I'm going to be super rigorously honest here with you. Maybe I should be too honest. I come home, my wife would be like, what? What did you do? You're a weirdo, man. But I already kind of warned her, you know, gave her a heads up. But she knows I'm soft as cotton. But, I mean, you know, I'm just being self-deprecating. So you guys are talking about drugs? Yeah. Thank you.
Thank you. You're good at that. You're good at that. These guys are talking about drugs. I watched them. They go right up to this room at the hotel. Well, somewhere in my travels, I got this jacket that says police on the back and on the shoulder, it says like border or something. I can't remember what it said, but it was like a windbreaker. I had that. And we go back to our room and I'm like,
I'm going to go rob these guys. She's like, what? I was like, yeah, because they look pretty lame. And even though I was lame, I thought... You can take these guys. And I've never been in a fight, you know, except for like with cousins, you know, when I was a kid or, you know, stupid shit like that. And I think I can take these guys. So I'm going to go for it, man.
And I don't know what gave me the nuts to do this. Do you have a gun? I have nothing. I have nothing. No fake badge, no anything. I'm just this jacket, you know, what am I going to do? Come in backwards, you know? Right. So anyway, so I like,
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Chapter 3: What were Sam's early experiences with crime?
They were starting to see that. Yeah. It was all everything I'm telling them is lies. Yeah. You know, I would say, oh, I'm doing a project up here for, you know, AT&T or Microsoft, you know, because that's what I did. I didn't travel a ton, but I traveled a little bit back then. But anyway, they're starting to realize that I'm no good at that at that time. So, yeah.
We get back to California, we get some drugs and I get another train ticket to go. It's a wine tasting train on Amtrak. So you basically go from LA to Seattle and you like, you sip wine and there's like wine tasting and you go through Napa Valley through the vineyards. And I get ahold of a friend that used to live where I lived in Montana and he lives in Kalispell.
So we take the train to Kalispell. Well, while I'm staying with him, I steal one of his credit cards. You're a good friend. Yeah. Oh, man. That one really hurt. No, it really did. Nobody's more upset about this than me. Yeah. I feel like your friend was more upset than you. Him and his wife went with me on my honeymoon. His wife was my wedding coordinator. It gets worse. Okay.
Yeah. Like we all went to Mexico to Mazatlan together on my honeymoon. And so they just thought that was me. And they thought now it's, you know, oh, it's poor Sam. You know, of course, we're going to let him come stay. Right. You know, but I got this new girlfriend. But as soon as they seen her, because she's a stripper. Yeah.
And she walked, talked, everything like a stripper. And they seen me where I'm not, you know, I'm a addict. Right. Yeah. You're not the guy that used to know.
No, not even a little bit. And, um, so I, we get there, I steal a credit card. I order a new laptop and I have it sent to their house with their credit card. And, um, and the laptop comes, I said, Oh, that's, you know, uh, they, they had to send that to me cause I needed to work from here. Right. You know, just making up lies.
That's perfect. Like if, if it shows up, they go, yeah, I had that ordered from 18, not them not realizing they just paid for it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Like I said, it really hurt me. Like, you know, once I got clean and realized all the bridges, you know, that was kind of one of the big ones. And they won't talk to me. I've reached out and, you know, the night staff, you know, to make amends. And so I do that. And we end up going back to we're going to Seattle back down to L.A.
But now I got this, you know, this new laptop. And and but of course, they realize when we get to Seattle, this is I just know this from the discovery again. They realize when we get to Seattle that I've stolen from them. So they call the police. We're halfway between. Portland and L.A., we get to a stop. And as we're slowing down to this stop, I realize this isn't one of our normal stops.
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Chapter 4: How did Sam learn to write bad checks?
No, she wasn't. No. But. What? That's not. Are you serious? That doesn't happen? But you were kindred spirits. Are you telling me that the stripper with the Beelzebub fetish of teddy bear didn't wait for you? Yeah, I know. And she cheated on me while I was in there. Oh, my God. When she would come visit.
Did she come visit? Oh, yeah. She did come visit? Yeah, because she... That is shocking. That's shocking, too.
Yeah, well, because she had nowhere to go, and she was staying with my friend Alan's girlfriend. So she's kind of obligated. The guy who I became friends with. Kind of obligated. Yeah. But she was like... I met this guy. He totally looks like Fabio, you know, and I can't remember this guy's name. Which is what you want to hear. I met him later. He's super cool. Super cool.
Yeah, that's what you want to hear, Fabio. Colby doesn't know who Fabio is. Really? I have an idea. It's like some, probably something like, you know, darker skin guy with long hair. Something like that. He's my guess.
Long hair, like a Harlequin romance guy. Doesn't know who Harlequin is. He doesn't know that either. It's like he would be riding a horse in blue jeans and no shirt. He's in amazing and blonde flowing hair. And there really was a Fabio. There was a real Fabio guy that women loved. And he was on the covers of all those magazines. He was this idyllic
guy you know like a nordic looking blonde hair blue eyed like a guy that doesn't really exist in real life yeah um but yeah yeah if you've seen him everyone would look at him right so in anyone who looks like in the 80s 90s some chick says oh my god i met this guy today he looks like bobby would be like oh this is over yeah he was the bartender at the bowling alley bar yeah
I feel like Fabio could do better than that. But to be honest with you, if you've ever heard an interview with the real Fabio. Oh, yeah. He's an idiot. Yeah. Probably bartender at the at the local at the local bowling alley. Sounds about right.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so anyway, you know, she would lie to me. She's like, no, I haven't had sex with him. Promise. We're just hanging out. Yeah, we're just hanging out. And she's high, you know, because she would come to the thing. Does she still have the teddy bear? Yeah, she did. It was in her property. And she would bring that teddy bear to the thing. Oh, my God.
They gave me the alphabet back. Yeah. Oh, I almost had the name. So anyway, she would come and she'd be like this. She always did this when she was high. So I always knew she was high. I was like, you're high. She's like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm like, you're doing the thing. And so anyway, so she would come visit me. And she ended up writing a bad check to a pizza place or something.
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Chapter 5: What is title theft and how did Sam execute it?
Right.
So there was two key cards at the front desk. When you go, you say, hey, I'm going to go to the gym. I got a gym pass when you're in the halfway house, right? So you take a key card, you go to the gym. The gym is basically a... What's that? Like the Knights of Columbus, you know, like a VFW type thing. It's in this like Knights of Columbus where they have like a bar. It's down in the basement.
So you have to like go through this bar and casino to get to this gym. Anyways, I was selling those cards as gym memberships to the guys at the dealership. So they end up finding out about that because, you know, those guys are in there working out and the owner, he owns the bar and the gym who's like friends. It's a really small town. Right.
He's friends with all the people that own the halfway house because it's privately owned. I almost had their names to my lips. They're like a big family in that town. And yeah, I got busted. They're like, who are you? He's like, oh, I got a membership. A membership from who? Well, from Sam, the guy who works for you. He's like, I don't know who the F Sam is, dude.
He's like, well, he worked at the dealership too. He said he was like part-time for you selling memberships. It's like, they would just give me like 20 bucks. I'm like, yeah, here, you know, just go work out. And so when I went to Boomerang back, they were like, no, we don't want them. He was selling memberships to the gym, you know?
And so they sent me to Billings, Montana, where I live now currently. They sent me to Billings, Montana. And yeah, so that's where I went. But as soon as I got there, I ran. I took off. Because my buddy AJ, who was up that, remember I said we had big plans? Right.
I go with him to, he now lives in Colorado. selling drugs and painting houses. So I go on the run there. I do a fake name. Oh, man, I forgot about the time. I would make these IDs. Remember Kinko's? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I would make IDs all the time at Kinko's. I had like these templates, you know, from like different states and everything was laminated then. And I had every state. I can't remember where I got that CD-ROM, but I would make these IDs at Kinko's. I basically, you know, they had the self-serve. I go in there, put the disc in, put the picture on the thing, or not on the computer.
I had a hard photo. And later I did it on a computer and, um, we do it all right there. Print it to myself. I didn't, they didn't have to do nothing. Then you just go up and say, yeah, I was on the computer for 10 minutes and I had three things laminated, but I would, I wouldn't even tell him about all the lamination in the, in the printouts.
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Chapter 6: What challenges did Sam face during his time in prison?
Well, and the FBI doesn't want to pick it up unless it's airtight because they don't want it to go into a prison. The prisons are typically way out of the way. And most of these guys aren't cooperating. And then if somebody goes to trial, we've got to move all these inmates back. It's better if it's just absolutely ironclad where people are going to take pleas. Yeah. Yeah. So.
So anyway, so I kind of made my bones there, you know, like now, like, I know this all sounds corny and, but now I have my, my credibility, you know, um, now those things mean something that are, those tattoos mean something for real. Like they have like paperwork that come with them and that's all important, you know, in the grand scheme of things, when you get to where you're going, um, um,
yeah like super important um if you're gonna if i if i'm gonna be in that role if i'm gonna stay how long do you ultimately get like you've still never said how much time you got Oh yeah. So I got, I don't think there, did I miss that? No, no, no, no. I got 108 months. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Which, yeah, my, I can't remember. I was a three in the top and a 31 or 29, two points for acceptance of responsibility. No 5k ones or anything like that. No downward departures. Now there is a 5k one, but it didn't, It didn't pan out. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There was an attempt, an attempted 5k one.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And not, and it wasn't on my case. It was some, somebody else had accused, tried to bring me into their trial. Oh, okay.
And say that, that, that was mine. Well, they ended up beating the, the, What they said was mine. They beat that in their trial, but they still had heroin. So they beat the meth. They still got found guilty for the heroin. And I went to their sentencing and said, nah, that wasn't mine. Right.
That was theirs. And so, yeah. But because I broke dude's jaw, my witness, the U.S. attorney said, no, we didn't give him nothing. He ain't got shit coming. It's lame, bro. It's lame. But fortunately, I don't have it on my paperwork. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I tried. Right. You know? Right. But I mean, if you're going to say my name at your trial. Yeah, yeah.
You know, and give me what? Is it even super? Is that even a superseding indictment? That's a whole new indictment. It would have been. Yeah. Yeah. But that U.S. attorney down there, they wanted them bad, you know. Do I feel bad about it? Yeah, I do. You know, I wish I hadn't have done it, especially because I didn't get nothing out of it.
Well, I was going to say, well, probably mostly because you didn't get anything. Yeah. I mean, that would have been a good three, four years off your sentence, bro. Easy, easy. But you probably shouldn't. Well, I mean, I don't, I mean, that's, that's your, for you to say, but you probably shouldn't have broke that dude's jaw. Yeah. You know, that... I couldn't help myself, bro.
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Chapter 7: How did Sam's relationships change while incarcerated?
Because I don't want to be some creep. You know, I'm going through the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to, you know, be tough, be cool. These are the rules I have to live by. Right.
Because if I go somewhere else and they, oh, you live with a GD? Right. No way, man. They'll stab me for it. Yeah. Something as little as that. Anyway, I look. The cop goes, hey, Das. Das comes looking over. He's like, like that. It's this little old man. This little old man. I was like, all right, man. I'll live with that dude. So I go up there. Das is this cool old bank robber.
He's robbed like 135 banks. Can't stop robbing. Gets to the halfway house. Gets to the halfway house. Robs a casino just so he can buy a pack of cigarettes. You know what I mean? He just can't stop robbing. Das, good-ass dude, man. Super old, good-ass dude. Big old glasses, you know, the Chominators or whatever, 2000s. And Das is like, I'm so relieved, bro. I'm like, what?
He's like, I got a white boy. I was like, yeah, I'm a white boy. I'm a white boy. And he's just like, man, I'm so glad. He's like, you're cool on top bunk? You want me to get up top? I was like, no, man, I'm cool on top. I love top bunk. I do love top bunk. And
We hit it off. I start asking him questions. What's it like? Is there anything on the table? Meaning, are the white boys in any shit right now? Is things about to pop off? He's like, no. He's like, what? No, man. This place is cool. He's like, if you just came from that, that kind of you're going to love it here. Right.
And I'm like, I don't know, man. He's like, I said, well, I'm going to go take a shower, man, and fly my flag. And what that means is like, show everyone who I am with my tattoos. Right. So I get dressed, put my towel on, but I go, you're going to catch security for me. He's like, dude, you don't have to do that here. I was like, man, you're going to catch security for me. He's like, oh yeah, bro.
Oh yeah, bro. So I go to the shower and I just walk. And I'm big at this time. I'm like 255 with like hardly any body fat. And I just go down to the shower. He stands there. Everyone's just like, This guy. Right. And there was this dude, right? This guy's going to be a problem. Yeah, this guy's going to be a problem. We're all trying to do some nice, quiet time.
Yeah. But, you know, as soon as I find that out, that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. I'm not trying to be a problem, but I look like I'm a problem. Right. So I walk. I'm walking down, and there's this black dude who's got long dreads across the way. I'm thinking he's Jamaican. I probably just stabbed his boy. Turns out that wasn't the case. But anyway, so I go take a shower.
When I come out, the dude's still standing there looking at me. And he's like, hey, man, when you get dressed, man, come holler at me, bro. You know, he's like super cool. I'm like, all right. So I go down there, I get dressed, and I'm like to myself, I'm like, hey, who's that fool? Who's that fool? He's like, oh, that's OGA. He's a GD war member.
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